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Apparently Apple are head-hunting Sony's Vaio designers.

Now, I like Vaio designs, but the systems themselves have always struck me as compromises, with far too much proprietary hardware that isn't supported from one Windows version to the next.

Let's hope they don't keep up the tradition at Apple...

Comments

[info]autopope wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 03:33 pm (UTC)
Sod it, if they keep going this way -- switching to Intel and hiring that shower from Sony who inflicted the Vaios on us -- I think I'm switching back to Linux and KDE. Anyone got a good distro to recommend? And a solid, sober, sensible laptop to run it on?
[info]sbisson wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 05:06 pm (UTC)
I'm about to try out Kunbuntu. I'll report back...
[info]mdlbear wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 09:17 pm (UTC)
Debian or maybe Kubuntu; the Debian installer is rock-solid these days. I've always done pretty well with IBM ThinkPads; have a used 750 I picked up a couple of weeks ago for $300.
[info]megadog wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2005 01:10 am (UTC)
I too commend IBM Thinkpads [my current one being a T30 which is about 18 months old]. They run Linux just fine, and have clearly been designed by/for serious engineering/business-people rather than by a bunch of 'stylists'.

Whether the design/quality will continue in the same vein given IBM's sale of their PC-side to Lenovo we shall have to see.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 5th, 2005 09:38 am (UTC)
yes, SuSE 10 from Novell and the IBM, (Lanovo?), ThinkPads are nice companions for linux.
[info]elimloth wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 04:42 pm (UTC)
I could make a solid bet that Apple is not tapping Sony engineers to get advice on that trendy look, but rather, they are looking for people to do the guts properly. It will take a team who understands the intricacies (or shall I say, hackeries) of x86 power management, not quite perfect integration of chipsets, and myriad edge-case design problems to get a decent marriage of the Apple hardware requirements.

I am looking forward to an Apple design x86-64 computer. It should run Windows quite nicely and look good too.
[info]sbisson wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 04:44 pm (UTC)
The problem is that Sony never got the guts quite right...
[info]elimloth wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 04:53 pm (UTC)
sbisson wrote:
> The problem is that Sony never got the guts quite right...

Nobody gets the guts quite right. Yes, many PC designs have extraordinary capabilities, but they never quite get the chrome and polish finished. I have a Dell Lattitude C800, Selene has a Dell Inspiron 600M, I have a friend with a Toshiba Tecra M series, and they all work most of the time, but they all have some weird little wart that causes massive frustration. I really get tired of watching laptop sometimes drain their batteries when their lid is closed - and no, it's not windows, but instead, it is the vendor's power management driver or their firmware hiccuping.

I get tired of system designers breaking the written architecture in order to squeeze out a little more battery life or forcing the chips to fit within the heat dissipation budget of their enclosures. It goes on, and it is my hope that an Apple designed x86 laptop will suffer less from these problems than all of the PC latops I have seen to date.
[info]sbisson wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 05:05 pm (UTC)
Oh mine too. Someone needs to sort the whole mess out.

Unfortunately I don't think it'll be Apple now, if that story is true...
[info]marypcb wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 05:24 pm (UTC)
the last time we seriously looked at Sony VAIOs was when I bought by little Portege and every Sony I looked at - tempted by industrial design nearly as nice as Apple's and by the delightful screens - had fundamentally compromised architecture. Like a notebook that had a memory limit of 312Mb and no separate graphics memory. Sony's terrible customer service wouldn't transfer to Apple (I hope!) but the build quality issues: is that just manufacturing or is there a design issue there too?
[info]marypcb wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 05:33 pm (UTC)
ooh, sudden flashback to the first dinky VAIO I played with, the lilac one. It had a 45 minute battery life ;-)

I know Apple won't make all the mistakes that Sony did. I just don't rate Sony as PC designers that highly. It's a shame Apple can't hire back the PowerBook/iBook designers who went off to Motion and OQO and places like that; after all, they have x86 experience now ;-)
[info]laheringer wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 04:51 pm (UTC)
Ok, let's work the numbers...

You read the part about how they had been building Mac OS X on Intel platforms for the past 5 years, just in case. You know that you can buy Macintosh Intel development system today. How are they're doing that without hardware and software engineers that know Intel? And considering that the H1B visa have been used up for the year (in fact, this year's allotment was allocated in October of last year), and that if you hired a Japanese engineer, it would be best case 6 months before you could get them into the US to work...
[info]sbisson wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 05:04 pm (UTC)
The current development system is a modification of a standard Intel motherboard in a G5 case (taking up very little space inside!) - very different from squeezing together components into the restricted form factor of a laptop...

As it is, Apple have no need to move engineers to the US - they're much more likely to employ them in the far east. That would solve a lot of problems when transferring the design to manufacturing by their existing OEM partners (who currently ODM several Intel laptops themselves...). The TiBook I'm using right now was made by Acer...
[info]laheringer wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 07:16 pm (UTC)
Yes, and moving your development closer to your existing OEM partners gives your OEM partners greater opportunities to review your designs and copy them. But I'm sure you're right and Steve has forgotten all about those lawsuits with those Taiwanese companies.
[info]mdlbear wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2005 09:19 pm (UTC)
Proprietary hardware is, of course, what Apple is all about.